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		<title>Ask the photo expert &#8211; ancestor&#8217;s engagement?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Our photo dating expert, Jayne Shrimpton, analyses your family photos. Janice Horne sent us her photo and asked: &#8216;I would be very grateful if you could identify the era that this photo was taken. I have two more of the &#8230; <a href="http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/2013/05/ask-the-photo-expert-ancestors-engagement/"><strong>Read More...</strong></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our photo dating expert, Jayne Shrimpton, analyses your family photos.</p>
<p><strong>Janice Horne sent us her photo and asked:</strong></p>
<p>&#8216;I would be very grateful if you could identify the era that this photo was taken. I have two more of the same woman in our family, one with small child and one that might appear to be in the 1910-20 period. Many thanks for any help you can give to start me off.&#8217;</p>
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<p><strong>Jayne says:</strong></p>
<p>&#8216;Unlike our other photograph this month, yours is a professional studio portrait, as seen from the card mount naming the photographer as J S Protheroe of Swindon. Judging from its appearance, this is probably a cabinet print or cabinet card – a standard card-mounted photograph measuring around 16.5 x 11.5cms.</p>
<p>The cabinet, first introduced in 1866, took a while to become established. It became more popular from the later 1870s onwards and by the 1890s was the most favoured photographic format for studio portraits. Cabinet prints continued to be produced in the early 1900s, finally becoming obsolete around the beginning of WWI. Many late Victorian and Edwardian examples survive in family and public collections today.</p>
<p>We don’t have a view of the reverse of this photograph, the design of which would help with ascertaining a timeframe; nor is there a handy online database offering operational data for early Swindon photographers. The various clues that are present here, however, are very useful and date this photograph firmly to the 1890s.</p>
<p>The pale grey card mount with rounded corners is typical of the 1890s and early 1900s, while the three-quarter length composition of the subject was popular at that time. We also notice certain studio props relating to this period – a potted palm and an exotic screen, the screen especially fashionable during the late 1880s and 1890s.</p>
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<p>The fashionable appearance of the young woman in the photograph narrows the date range to within just a few years. Female dress and hairstyles generally offer an accurate date for a photograph, especially when the subject is young. Even ordinary working girls and women in the Victorian era often enjoyed spending their income on stylish, up-to-date clothes, especially when single, before they gained family responsibilities.</p>
<p>Here, this attractive young lady wears a formal bodice and skirt typical of the 1890s. We see the shapely silhouette admired around the turn of the century and, in particular, the style of her puffed <em>gigot</em> or &#8216;leg-o&#8217;-mutton&#8217; sleeves confirm that she was photographed some time between 1893 and 1897.</p>
<p>Formal studio portraits were very often taken to signify a special occasion and the floral bodice corsage worn here supports the notion of celebration &#8211; the marking of an important event. We notice that this ancestor places her left hand carefully on the screen, so as to show a ring on her engagement/wedding finger. We cannot see the details of the ring very clearly but since she is posing alone in the studio, it is highly likely to be her engagement ring, since wedding couples were usually pictured together.</p>
<p>Hopefully this image of a young forebear who became engaged some time between 1893 and 1897 and who lived in the Swindon area will be possible for you to identify. The close timeframe here should also help you to pinpoint the likely period of your other photographs of the same person.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>Ask the photo expert &#8211; Somerset village</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2013 11:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Our photo dating expert, Jayne Shrimpton, analyses your family photos. Gordon Martin sent us his photo and asked: &#8216;I would be grateful of your expert opinion as to when this family photograph was taken. The photograph includes my great-grandmother Mary &#8230; <a href="http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/2013/05/ask-the-photo-expert-somerset-village/"><strong>Read More...</strong></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our photo dating expert, Jayne Shrimpton, analyses your family photos.</p>
<p><strong>Gordon Martin sent us his photo and asked:</strong></p>
<p>&#8216;I would be grateful of your expert opinion as to when this family photograph was taken. The photograph includes my great-grandmother Mary Martin (nee Biggs) who was the postmistress at Mells, Somerset. Mary died in 1914.&#8217;</p>
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<p><strong>Jayne says:</strong></p>
<p>&#8216;This is a picturesque scene depicting Somerset village life at the beginning of the 20th century. An amateur photographer may have taken the photograph using a new camera such as the Box Brownie, introduced in 1900. Amateur snapshot photography was still relatively uncommon in the Edwardian era, however, so I think it is more likely to be the work of an itinerant operator.</p>
<p>Travelling photographers would tour rural areas with their equipment, photographing residents and tradesmen in villages and hamlets that had no permanent photographic studio. Usually subjects were photographed in the street, outside their home or at their place of work. The resulting images comprise some of the most interesting pictures of the past to survive today, representing everyday life and real locations.</p>
<p>I am not aware of the format of this photograph; if it is printed on a postcard mount with a line running down the middle, then its earliest possible date is 1902. Otherwise, where information is lacking, the only way of dating such scenes accurately is to date the visual image.</p>
<p>In the vast majority of cases, this entails establishing a timeframe for the dress that the people in the picture wear – their hairstyles, clothing and accessories. The most fashionably-dressed person here is the young woman to the right, with the dog. She is rather formally attired in a smart bodice, skirt and hat characteristic of the early Edwardian era. In particular, her wide flat collar, the style of her sleeves and shape of her wide-brimmed hat date this image firmly to c.1901-05.</p>
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<p>Also pictured here is a middle-aged lady, wearing the sober black garments that were often favoured by older Victorian and Edwardian ladies. I am guessing from her comfortable seated position in the front garden of the post office that she may be your ancestor, the postmistress. Perhaps the young man next to her is a post office assistant or her son, while the fashionable young woman could be her daughter. Hopefully you will know from your family records whether these suggestions are plausible.</p>
<p>Outside in the road are passers by who were no doubt known to Mary Martin and who appear to have stopped to be included in the photograph. The lady wears the usual everyday Edwardian outfit of blouse and tailored skirt, while, judging from this digital scan, her child could be a boy or a girl. Her bicycle would have been a convenient and modern way of travelling around at a time when only a wealthy few owned motor cars. Bicycles were seen as affording women more freedom and independence and came to be associated with the so-called ‘new woman’ of the early 20th century.</p>
<p>As we know from the book and TV series <em>Lark Rise to Candleford</em>, set during the 1890s, just a few years before this photograph was taken, the post office was often the hub of village life and no doubt your great-grandmother was a prominent member of her community. This photograph demonstrates the strong links that exist between family history and local history. If you haven’t already done so, it might be good to share this image with local and family history societies covering the Mells area.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>Ask the expert &#8211; complicated family</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2013 10:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Our resident expert Stephen Rigden, pictured below, answers your queries. From Mike Coomber: &#8216;For several years I have been trying to find the birth certificate for my grandmother, without success. I always thought that her birthday was 15 July 1891 &#8230; <a href="http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/2013/05/ask-the-expert-complicated-family/"><strong>Read More...</strong></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our resident expert Stephen Rigden, pictured below, answers your queries.</p>
<p><strong>From Mike Coomber</strong>:</p>
<p>&#8216;For several years I have been trying to find the birth certificate for my grandmother, without success. I always thought that her birthday was 15 July 1891 but I cannot find a corresponding entry in the indexes. Unfortunately her name was quite a common one &#8211; Alice Brown &#8211; and all I can find is entries in the <a href="http://www.findmypast.co.uk/search/census/1901/person">1901</a> and <a href="http://www.findmypast.co.uk/search/census/1911/person">1911</a> censuses. In the 1901 census she was living with her &#8216;grandmother&#8217; in Derby.</p>
<p>Is there anywhere else that I should be looking or anything else I should be doing?&#8217;</p>
<p><strong>Stephen says</strong>:</p>
<p>&#8216;Hi Mike,</p>
<p>This is indeed a tricky one.</p>
<p>I started by looking for Alice Brown with a grandmother in Derby in the <a href="http://www.findmypast.co.uk/search/census/1891/person">1891 census</a>, and assume that the entry is the one at census reference RG13 piece 3223 folio 114 page 1, i.e., that Alice is living in the household of the widow Hannah Bruerton and her unmarried children Emily, John H and Florence M. Alice is nine years old and born in Manchester, whereas the rest of the family is from Derbyshire. As Alice&#8217;s own parents are not resident overnight on census night, this begins to set off warning bells. Is she indeed a grandchild of Hannah, could one or both of her parents have died, was she illegitimate, why would she have been born in distant Manchester etc?<br />
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Using earlier <a href="http://www.findmypast.co.uk/content/search-menu/census-land-and-surveys">censuses</a>, plus <a href="http://www.findmypast.co.uk/content/search-menu/life-events-bmds">birth, marriage and death records</a>, it is possible to reconstruct at least part of the immediate family. I am sure you have already done this yourself. John Bruerton was married twice, first to Lucy and secondly, in 1874, to Hannah Hicklin. In the <a href="http://www.findmypast.co.uk/search/census/1861/person">1861</a> and <a href="http://www.findmypast.co.uk/search/census/1871/person">1871</a> censuses, John is with Lucy, of course, while from <a href="http://www.findmypast.co.uk/search/census/1881/person">1881</a> through to 1901 he is with his second wife Hannah.</p>
<p>Hannah would have been about 40 years old at the time of marriage, and is likely to have had children from a previous relationship, just as John Bruerton did (with Lucy). In fact, the 1881 census return shows, in addition to persons named Bruerton, an 8-year-old Hannah Hicklin, born in Findern, Derbyshire &#8211; presumably Hannah Snr&#8217;s daughter from a previous relationship. This Hannah may have been the mother of your grandmother Alice Brown. Please see <a href="http://www.findmypast.co.uk/referenceSearch.action">census references</a> as follows:</p>
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<li>1891, Brixworth &#8211; RG12, piece 1207, folio 107, page 8 </li>
<li>1901, Ashton &#8211; RG13, piece 3799, folio 5, page 1</li>
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<p>As you will see, she is a kitchen maid and then a domestic cook, in the homes of clergymen Rev William Bury and Rev Francis Burrows, respectively. Of course, in both years she is single and has the name Hicklin, not Brown. Ashton under Lyne is in Manchester, however, and this makes me wonder whether she was indeed the mother of Manchester-born Alice Brown. Perhaps Brown was the surname of the unmarried birth father?</p>
<p>I did find references to an Ann Hicklin possibly marrying a John William Brown in Derby 1881 and a Frances Annie Hicklin possibly marrying an Ernest Brown in Walsall in 1891 (I say ‘possibly’ as there are two marriages on each page of a marriage register of that date, so the groom may have been relevant to the other marriage on the same page). I felt able to eliminate the latter, but the first might merit further consideration.</p>
<p>If the above Hannah proves to be incorrect and merely a coincidence, then you will need to continue looking for other candidate children of John Bruerton or Hannah Hicklin (or even of different partners of them), born before 1865 at the very latest</p>
<p>My recommendations to you would be to start by ordering a copy of the 1874 marriage certificate of John Bruerton and Hannah Hicklin to see if the latter was a spinster or a widow. If she was a spinster, then look for her possible illegitimate children, including Hannah Jnr. If she was a widow, then look for her first marriage (which would of course be to as yet unknown Mr Hicklin) and for their legitimate children.</p>
<p>You are still some way from clarifying exactly what transpired in this potentially complicated family, but I hope the foregoing gives you some new leads and ideas to pursue.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>Ask the expert &#8211; clues in the British Army Service Records</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Our resident expert Stephen Rigden, pictured below, answers your queries. From Betty Watts: &#8216;This is a long shot but thought I would try this long outstanding research on you. My grandfather William Richard Berry was born in 1872 and according &#8230; <a href="http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/2013/05/ask-the-expert-clues-in-the-british-army-service-records/"><strong>Read More...</strong></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our resident expert Stephen Rigden, pictured below, answers your queries.</p>
<p><strong>From Betty Watts</strong>:</p>
<p>&#8216;This is a long shot but thought I would try this long outstanding research on you.</p>
<p>My grandfather William Richard Berry was born in 1872 and according to 1901 and 1911 censuses, this was in Limehouse, Middlesex. The only relevant baptism I could find gives his father as Charles (spelt Berrey) whereas on his marriage certificate he is recorded as William. His son, my uncle, was Charles William. The mother was Jane Philpot (I have not found a marriage for these two which I hoped would perhaps add William to his name).</p>
<p>I have found William in the <a href="http://www.findmypast.co.uk/search/census/1891/person">1891 census</a> at Dorchester Barracks, place of birth Middlesex. In the <a href="http://www.findmypast.co.uk/search/census/1901/person">1901</a> and <a href="http://www.findmypast.co.uk/search/census/1911/person">1911</a> censuses he gives Limehouse as the birth place.</p>
<p>I have looked for his service records several times at The National Archives in Kew and also online but unfortunately they are missing. I do have a prayer book with the following inscription:</p>
<p>Pte. W.R. Berry<br />
2nd Dorset Regiment<br />
Good Friday<br />
South African Field Force</p>
<p>I have even tried the Dorchester Army office, although not lately. I did find a William Berry in the <a href="http://www.findmypast.co.uk/search/census/1881/person">1881 census</a> in Stoke Common, Hants, with a birthplace of London, Middlesex. He was the grandson of Henry Philpot but there was also a Frederick Berry, aged 45, unmarried.</p>
<p>There’s another William in the 1881 census, in Gifford Street, Islington, aged nine, born in Middlesex. He’s the grandson of Thomas Berry. I have had many wrong birth certificates over the years so I’m still left with nothing positive. William married my grandmother Florence Annie Ridsdill in 1898.</p>
<p>I have been researching this branch since 1984 so you can guess how frustrated I feel but I’m ever hopeful that something will turn up.&#8217;</p>
<p><strong>Stephen says</strong>:</p>
<p>&#8216;Thanks for writing in with your question, Betty. I have done a little digging using a few online sources on findmypast.co.uk and have found some new leads for you to follow up.</p>
<p>Firstly, I have found army pension papers for William Richard Berry in the findmypast.co.uk collection of <a href="http://www.findmypast.co.uk/search/army-service-records/all">records of men pensioned from the British Army</a> during the 19th century.</p>
<p>The record is composed of five pages. These give various details including a physical description (with tattoos) and a nice outline of his military career. Before he joined the Dorset Regiment on 22 January 1891, he had previously enlisted into the 3rd Battalion Hampshire Regiment, from which he purchased his discharge. I am reliably informed by a military historian colleague that, at that date, discharge could be purchased for £10 within the first three months.<br />
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At the time, £10 would presumably have been a tidy sum (especially as he was only 18 years and one month old when he joined the Dorsets, and is described as a labourer). Perhaps army life suited him in the long run, however, as he subsequently served 12 years with the Dorsets and then, in 1903, signed up for a further four years’ service in the Army Reserve, before discharge on 21 January 1907.</p>
<p>Most of his service was at home, but he did serve overseas in the Second Anglo-Boer War, from November 1899 to June 1900. For this, he was awarded the Queen’s South Africa Medal, the latter with two clasps &#8211; Tugela Heights (fought during February 1900) and the Relief of Ladysmith (1 March 1900). You can easily search the internet for these two actions to find out more.</p>
<p>This is all interesting information, but there are two other facts to extract from these so-called ‘Chelsea Pensioner’ service papers.</p>
<p>Firstly, upon enlistment into the Dorset Regiment, William’s place of birth is given as Bishopstoke, Hampshire, but then struck out and replaced with London, Middlesex (the correction is initialled by the recruiting officer). This could of course have been a simple clerical error (the form was completed on behalf of the soldier, not by him) but I do not think so – see below&#8230;</p>
<p>More significantly, on the fifth page, the column 12 for next of kin is completed with the details of an unmarried sister, Mary Jane Berry, of 11 Harbe[r]son Road, Balham in London (she is later struck out following the marriage of William in 1898, as from that point his wife was of course his next of kin). Note that this address falls under Streatham in census returns. In the 1891 census, at this address are Henry and Emily Phillpott and one Mary Merry (sic – presumably an error by the census enumerator) – the last named being the Phillpotts’ 24-year old niece, born in Bishopstoke, Hampshire. The head of household Henry Phillpott is also from Bishopstoke. I note that you refer to a Jane Philpot in your emailed question. To view this image, go to findmypast.co.uk&#8217;s <a href="http://www.findmypast.co.uk/referenceSearch.action">census reference search</a> and search under the following citation: RG12 piece 455 folio 60 page 13.</p>
<p>Now if you search the 1881 census for the siblings Mary and William Richard Berry, you come across the following entry in Winchester: RG11 piece 1234 folio 66 page 27. Here a widowed Henry Philpott is with his son William Philpott, his unmarried stepson Frederick Berry, his granddaughter Mary J Berry (born Bishopstoke) and his grandson William Berry (born London, Middlesex). This is certainly the right family.</p>
<p>Track back to <a href="http://www.findmypast.co.uk/search/census/1871/person">1871</a> and look at another Winchester district census return – reference RG10 piece 1213 folio 54 page 7 for Stoke Common in Bishopstoke. Here Henry and Ann Philpot are in residence with unmarried sons William, Henry and George Philpot, unmarried 19-year old ‘son-in-law’ (meaning step-son) Richard Berry and grandchildren Mary J and Walter W Berry (aged four months and 11 months respectively, both born in Bishopstoke). Walter W is another sibling of your William Richard, while Richard would be William Richard’s uncle &#8211; William Richard himself won’t be born for another two or three years.</p>
<p>For the <a href="http://www.findmypast.co.uk/search/census/1861/person">1861 census</a>, the citation for this family is RG9 piece 694 folio 62 page 29. Here Henry and Ann Phillpott are with his mother Elizabeth Phillpott and their children William, Mary and Henry Phillpott, together with 13-year old ‘daughter-in-law’ (step-daughter) Jane Berry and 9-year-old ‘son-in-law’ (step-son) Richard Berry.</p>
<p>You will need to examine all these records very carefully to piece together what is quite a complicated family structure. It is clear that Henry Phil(l)pot(t) married Ann(e) Berry in 1859, and that both had children from previous relationships – Henry had sons William and Mary; Ann(e) had children Frederick, Jane and Richard; while together they had Henry Jnr and George.</p>
<p>It is possible that Ann(e)’s children were born illegitimately – I think she is the Ann Berry with 5-year-old Frederick in the <a href="http://www.findmypast.co.uk/search/census/1841/person">1841 census</a> at census ref HO107 piece 404 book 10 page 5. It is also possible, although I haven’t been able to prove it, that Ann(e)’s daughter Jane Berry, the step-daughter of Henry Phil(l)pot(t), was a single mother with children Mary Jane, Walter W and William Richard. You might be able to start proving or disproving this by getting the birth certificate of Mary Jane Berry – what would appear to be her birth was registered in June quarter 1866 in Winchester registration district (volume 2C, page 103).</p>
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		<title>April newsletter competition winner</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2013 10:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>jessmoore</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[We&#8217;re pleased to announce the winner of our April newsletter competition. We asked you: &#8216;What are local battalion the Swansea Pals officially known as?&#8217; Congratulations go to Kevin Sanders who answered correctly with &#8217;14th (Service) Battalion, The Welsh Regiment&#8217;. Kevin &#8230; <a href="http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/2013/05/april-newsletter-competition-winner-3/"><strong>Read More...</strong></a>]]></description>
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<p>Congratulations go to Kevin Sanders who answered correctly with &#8217;14th (Service) Battalion, The Welsh Regiment&#8217;. Kevin wins a copy of fascinating Royal Marines research guide <em>Tracing Your Royal Marine Ancestors</em> by Richard Brooks and Matthew Little.</p>
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		<title>Famous family trees: Michael Kitchen</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Welcome to the latest blog in our ‘famous family trees’ series. In this blog series, experienced family historian, Roy Stockdill, investigates the family histories of the famous, both living and dead. On-screen detective Michael Kitchen is the subject of Roy’s &#8230; <a href="http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/2013/05/famous-family-trees-michael-kitchen/"><strong>Read More...</strong></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Welcome to the latest blog in our ‘famous family trees’ series. In this blog series, experienced family historian, Roy Stockdill, investigates the family histories of the famous, both living and dead. On-screen detective Michael Kitchen is the subject of Roy’s powers of deduction this month.</strong></p>
<div id="attachment_15584" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 212px"><a href="http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/8510c1d80ad0564ec5927fdaa5505e471.jpg"><img class=" wp-image-15584    " title="Michael Kitchen" src="http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/8510c1d80ad0564ec5927fdaa5505e471.jpg" alt="Michael Kitchen" width="202" height="195" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Michael Kitchen</p></div>
<p>Ask 100 people to name their favourite TV detective and I would wager a bet that, somewhere among the votes for Sherlock Holmes, Morse, Lewis, Frost, Barnaby, Wycliffe and their ilk, a sizeable number would plump for Detective Chief Superintendent Christopher Foyle. The superb drama series <em>‘Foyle’s War’</em>, which has been on our screens for over a decade now, has built a regular audience of over six million viewers, not least because of the intelligent scripts by writer Anthony Horowitz, the setting of the programme in wartime Hastings and also the fact that no series has ever lasted beyond four episodes – the most recent series, which saw Foyle joining MI5, only ran to three – leaving fans yearning for more.</p>
<p>However, beyond any doubt whatsoever, the success of the programme is principally due to the almost hypnotic performance of its star, Michael Kitchen, the actor who plays Christopher Foyle. Foyle’s character – moral, courteous, soft-spoken, patient, scrupulously honest and yet determinedly tenacious in his pursuit of criminals – is brilliantly interpreted by Kitchen, who dominates every scene he’s in. So, it was with enthusiasm that I set out to research his family history.</p>
<p>I wish I could report that I found in his ancestry a real mystery worthy of DCS Foyle’s investigative talents – but, sadly, no! Despite the relative commonness of the surname, I was able to trace Michael Kitchen’s direct paternal line fairly quickly back to his great-great-great-grandparents in Lincolnshire about 1800. His forebears were – probably like Foyle’s – working class artisans and tradesmen. I did come across one minor puzzle which I was able to solve with some assiduous detective work, of which more later.I knew from online biographies and from the General Register Office’s <a title="birth indexes" href="http://www.findmypast.co.uk/search/all/births" target="_blank">birth indexes</a> that he was born in 1948 in Leicester and registered as Michael R. Kitchen. It came as a slight surprise to learn from his birth certificate that his middle name is Roy – probably the only thing we have in common!</p>
<p>He was born in Leicester General Hospital on 31 October 1948, his father being Arthur Ernest Kitchen, a pork butcher’s assistant, and his mother Elsie Betty Kitchen, formerly Allen, both of 102 Wilberforce Road, Leicester.  His parents’ marriage certificate showed they were married at the Church of the Martyrs, Leicester – an Anglican parish church founded relatively late in 1890 – on 10 April 1948. Arthur Ernest Kitchen was 27 and a pork butcher, his father being Thomas Henry Kitchen, with no occupation stated. Elsie Betty Allen, 21, was a hairdresser and her father was shown as Roy Cecil Allen, hosiery operator. Possibly Michael Kitchen’s middle name came from his maternal grandfather. Arthur Ernest Kitchen was born on 17 January 1921 at 18 Wand Street, Leicester, a street of terraced houses not far from the city centre. His father, Thomas Henry Kitchen, was described on the birth certificate as a ‘Hotel Barman, Ex Army’ while his mother was Annie Elizabeth Kitchen, formerly Johnson. Arthur Kitchen, Michael Kitchen’s father, died at Leicester in 2002, aged 80.</p>
<div id="attachment_15602" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 404px"><a href="http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/1911Census-RG14-19-1-84-19184_0113_03.jpeg"><img class=" wp-image-15602         " title="Ancestors of the actor Michael Kitchen in the 1911 census" src="http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/1911Census-RG14-19-1-84-19184_0113_03.jpeg" alt="Ancestors of the actor Michael Kitchen in the 1911 census" width="394" height="226" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">The Kitchen family in 1911</p></div>
<p>Further research showed that Arthur was a latecomer to the family, considerably younger than his siblings, for Thomas Henry Kitchen and Annie Elizabeth Johnson were <a title="married" href="http://www.findmypast.co.uk/search/all/marriages" target="_blank">married</a> at Leicester in the April-June quarter of 1901. By the <a title="census of 1911" href="http://www.findmypast.co.uk/search/census/1911/person" target="_blank">census of 1911</a> they had three children and were then living at 18 Wand Street, North West Leicester, where Arthur was born some 10 years later. In 1911 Thomas Henry was aged 32, a hotel cellarman, and his birth place was given as Grantham, Lincolnshire. His wife Annie Elizabeth was 31, a hosiery machinist, born at Leicester. Their children were William Kitchen, 6, Annie Elizabeth, 4, and Edith May 3. There was, thus, a long gap before Arthur came along – not entirely unusual.</p>
<p>Michael Kitchen’s grandfather, Thomas Henry, was found in Leicester in the <a title="1901 census" href="http://www.findmypast.co.uk/search/census/1901/person" target="_blank">1901 census</a> as a single man, living with his parents and half-a-dozen siblings. The family were at 26 Martin Street, Leicester. Head of the household was William Kitchen, aged 51, a plasterer, and his wife was Elizabeth Kitchen, 44, both having been born at Welby, Lincolnshire. It was apparent from the pattern of the children’s birth places that the family must have moved around a bit before arriving in Leicester. The children were: Thomas Henry, 22, plasterer’s labourer, born Grantham, Lincolnshire; William, 14, tailor’s presser, born at Nottingham; Annie S, 12, errand girl; Ada, 10; Arthur E, 6; Edith M, 4; Agnes K, 1 – the five youngest all being</p>
<div id="attachment_15670" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 400px"><a href="http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/1901Census-2991-2992_00521.jpeg"><img class=" wp-image-15670    " title="Thomas Henry Kitchen in the 1901 census" src="http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/1901Census-2991-2992_00521.jpeg" alt="Ancestor of the actor Michael Kitchen in the 1901 Census" width="390" height="258" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Thomas Henry Kitchen in the 1901 census</p></div>
<p>born in Leicester. I had to take care when checking the censuses, for there is also a place in Leicestershire called Welby – but it was clear that it was the Lincolnshire Welby, about four miles north-east of Grantham, that was the original home of the Kitchens. In 1891 William and his family were living at the same address as in 1901, 26 Martin Street, Leicester but in this census the surname was spelt KITCHIN. The details of names and birth places were very similar to those given in 1901 but, of course, the ages were 10 years lower and there were only four children, the three youngest having not yet been born.</p>
<p>Next, I looked at the <a title="census of 1881" href="http://www.findmypast.co.uk/CensusPersonStartSearchServlet?censusYear=1881" target="_blank">census of 1881</a> and found William and Elizabeth Kitchen, with son Thomas Henry, not in Leicester but in Grantham, Lincolnshire. It then became clear that William and Elizabeth must have moved to Leicester at some time between the censuses of 1881 and 1891. We can pin it down even more precisely because the <a title="1891 census" href="http://www.findmypast.co.uk/search/census/1891/person" target="_blank">1891 census</a> shows that their son William was born at Nottingham about 1887 and his younger sister Anne was born in Leicester about 1889. In 1881 William and Elizabeth Kitchen were found at 40 Spring Gardens, Spittlegate, Grantham. This couple were the great-grandparents of the actor Michael Kitchen and in 1881 they only had the one child, Thomas Henry, then aged two. The GRO marriage indexes reveal that William Kitchen and Elizabeth Storer were married at Grantham registration district in the January-March quarter of 1877.</p>
<div id="attachment_15620" class="wp-caption alignright" style="width: 398px"><a href="http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/1861Census-RG905659-234900-235400-00830A1.jpeg"><img class=" wp-image-15620      " title="William Kitchen in the 1861 census" src="http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/1861Census-RG905659-234900-235400-00830A1.jpeg" alt="Ancestors of the actor Michael Kitchen in the 1861 census" width="388" height="228" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">William Kitchen in 1861</p></div>
<p>To trace the ancestry farther back, I went to the censuses of <a title="1871" href="http://www.findmypast.co.uk/CensusPersonStartSearchServlet?censusYear=1871" target="_blank">1871</a> and <a title="1861" href="http://www.findmypast.co.uk/CensusPersonStartSearchServlet?censusYear=1861" target="_blank">1861</a>. In 1871 William Kitchen was a visitor in the household of a family called Millhouse at Elton Street, Spittlegate, Grantham. He was then aged 21 and a plasterer, born at Welby, Lincolnshire. Ten years earlier in 1861 William was with his parents and four siblings in the village of Welby, Lincolnshire, a few miles north-east of Grantham. The address was shown as 9, Private House, Welby Pasture, Welby.</p>
<p>Richard Kitchen, William’s father, was an agricultural labourer, aged 52, and his wife Elizabeth was 43. Their children were: Thomas, 12, agricultural labourer; William, 11, agricultural labourer; Joseph 7; Richard 3; and Emma 1. The whole family were shown in the census as being born at Welby. Now we go back another 10 years to the <a title="census of 1851" href="http://www.findmypast.co.uk/CensusPersonStartSearchServlet?censusYear=1851" target="_blank">census of 1851</a> when the Kitchen family were also in Welby. No address was given other than the village.</p>
<div id="attachment_15642" class="wp-caption alignleft" style="width: 218px"><a href="http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/1841Census-0624_0077.jpeg"><img class=" wp-image-15642    " title="Richard &amp; Ann Kitchen in the 1841 census" src="http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/1841Census-0624_0077.jpeg" alt="Richard &amp; Ann Kitchen in the 1841 census" width="208" height="323" /></a><p class="wp-caption-text">Richard &amp; Ann Kitchen in 1841</p></div>
<p>Richard Kitchen was aged 41 and a farm labourer, while wife Elizabeth was 32. They had six children: Ann 12, John 9, James 7, Mary 5, Thomas 3 and William 1. Adding the three younger ones who appear in the 1861 census, plus another born in 1864, indicates that Richard and Elizabeth Kitchen had at least 10 children. I also found Richard and Elizabeth – Michael Kitchen’s great-great-grandparents – in the <a title="1841 census" href="http://www.findmypast.co.uk/CensusPersonStartSearchServlet?censusYear=1841" target="_blank">1841 census</a>. They were in Welby and had just the one child, Ann, who was aged two. Also in the household was another Ann Kitchen, aged 70, and, while relationships were not given in 1841, it seems likely that this was Richard’s mother.</p>
<p>A somewhat sad fact emerged when I discovered from the 1871 census that Elizabeth Kitchen was by then a widow, Richard having died and been buried at St. Bartholomew’s Church, Welby, on 10 April 1864, aged 55. This I learned from the parish records collection on the Findmypast website. His death at that time was particularly poignant for, according to the 1871 census entry for Elizabeth Kitchen her youngest child, Sarah J Kitchen, was six years old – so she must have been born around the same time that her father died. Indeed, <a title="the death record" href="http://www.findmypast.co.uk/search/all/deaths" target="_blank">the death record</a> for Richard Kitchen and the birth of Sarah Jane Kitchen appear in the same April-June quarter of 1864 at Grantham registration district. Elizabeth was then aged 53 and had three other children with her: Joseph, 16, Richard, 13, and Emma, 11.</p>
<p>I mentioned near the beginning of this blog that I was able to solve one problem in the ancestry of Michael Kitchen and this concerned Richard and Elizabeth Kitchen, his great-great-grandparents. It appeared from the 1841 census that they were married by then – though precise relationships are not given in that census – but despite intensive online searching, I was unable to find a marriage, either in the period immediately after civil registration came in on 1 July 1837 or in <a title="parish registers" href="http://www.findmypast.co.uk/search/parish-records/marriages?tab=2" target="_blank">parish registers</a> before that date.</p>
<p>Then I had a brainwave! I tracked down the church warden of St. Bartholomew’s parish church, Welby, a very kind gentleman called Colonel John Riggall to whom I am extremely grateful, and he popped into the church to look at the marriage register for me. It transpired that the register began in September 1837 and is one of those rare older ones still in use today. There, only the fourth marriage in the book, was the union of Richard Kitchen, bachelor of full age, a labourer, and Elizabeth Exton, a minor of unstated age, on 18 December 1837. Richard’s father was shown as William Kitchen, also a labourer, and Elizabeth’s father was James Exton, publican. Armed with this information, I was able to solve the mystery of why the marriage doesn’t appear in the GRO marriage indexes online. In fact, the names of Richard Kitchen and Elizabeth Exton do both appear in the indexes in the same October-December quarter of 1837 – but the volume number given for Grantham registration district against Richard Kitchen’s name is wrong and therefore the entries don’t match up! The volume number for Grantham at the date in question was 14, whereas in the indexes against the name of Richard Kitchen it is shown as 24. It may be that the page number is wrong, too, for in one of the entries, for Richard Kitchen is shown as being on page 511 and Elizabeth Exton on page 611. These occasional errors in the GRO indexes are familiar to experienced genealogists but may well prove a trap for novice family historians.</p>
<p>I hope Detective Chief Superintendent Christopher Foyle would think I have been diligent in my research and followed his meticulous example in tracking down his ancestors, even solving a small mystery along the way!</p>
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<p><em>Roy Stockdill has been a family historian for almost 40 years. A former national newspaper journalist, he edited the Journal of One-Name Studies (for the Guild of One-Name Studies) for 10 years. He is on the Board of Trustees of the Society of Genealogists and is commissioning editor of the ‘My Ancestors…’ series of books. He writes regularly for Family Tree magazine.</em></p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Our photo dating expert, Jayne Shrimpton, analyses your family photos. Ray Woodward-Clarke sent us his photo and asked: &#8216;This family group photograph was taken in Brownhills, Staffordshire &#8211; a mining community. I would like to know approximately when it was &#8230; <a href="http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/2013/04/ask-the-photo-expert-mining-gathering/"><strong>Read More...</strong></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our photo dating expert, Jayne Shrimpton, analyses your family photos.</p>
<p><strong>Ray Woodward-Clarke sent us his photo and asked:</strong></p>
<p>&#8216;This family group photograph was taken in Brownhills, Staffordshire &#8211; a mining community. I would like to know approximately when it was taken, please.&#8217;</p>
<p><strong>Jayne says:</strong><br />
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&#8216;This is a wonderful scene, showing an extended family, or perhaps members of more than one family, posing outside what appears to be a family home, in a genuine working-class setting. It would not have been easy composing this number of people so that all were clearly visible in the frame, so I am certain that this was a professional photograph, taken either by an itinerant photographer or by a representative from a local studio, hired to visit these folk and photograph them in their own environment. It would have been impossible to picture them all successfully in a studio.</p>
<p>Everyone is dressed up here for the photograph, wearing their ‘Sunday best’ clothing – decent outfits kept for church and other occasions demanding a smart appearance. Although there are few adult males here, I am assuming from the location that they would have been miners, so the men and older boys in the middle and towards the back here would have looked very different when working in the mines. Most of them are wearing respectable hats, the boys the peaked ‘kepi’ style caps popular before the cloth cap became established around the turn of the century, while the man in the centre wears a bowler hat, the tall crown of which confirms a late-19th century date.</p>
<p>Three or, probably, four generations are pictured here, from infants to elderly matrons, and are all dressed according to their age. It is interesting, for example, to see how the two older ladies in the group are wearing their woollen shawls: young women would not have worn these homely, traditional accessories for a special photograph at this time, although they may well have worn them for everyday work wear, with aprons over their dresses.</p>
<p>In a mixed group like this, it is the appearance of the younger women that provides the most accurate dating clues, as even our ordinary working ancestors often followed fashion closely when aged in their late ‘teens’ and early 20s. The most fashionable females here are the two young women on the right, one standing, one seated. Their dark cloth bodice and skirt outfits both feature sleeves that are slightly puffed at the shoulder: this signifies the early phase of the puffed ‘leg-o-mutton’ sleeves that came to dominate the 1890s. Usually this small vertical puff would indicate a year of c.1890-92. I doubt that these women are very far behind the times, despite being from a labouring background, but we might add a couple of years in case, so I would suggest a date range of c.1890-94 for this scene.</p>
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<p>Clearly this photograph was taken to mark a particular occasion, although we can only really guess at what that may have been. An important family celebration such as a wedding or christening is not evident here, so perhaps the occasion was a landmark birthday – or just possibly a work-related event that involved more than one family. The semi-formal bowler hat that one of the men wears almost certainly marks him out as the senior or most important member of the group and he does seem to occupy a prominent position here. He also holds a large book: I wonder if this was a family bible, or another kind of volume that was connected in some way with this scene. Hopefully the close timeframe for this fascinating photograph may give you some idea of which of your ancestors are pictured and what may have been happening.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>Ask the photo expert &#8211; governess ancestor?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Our photo dating expert, Jayne Shrimpton, analyses your family photos. Elizabeth Cargill sent us her photo and asked: &#8216;I am hoping that you will be able to date this photo for me. My cousin was born in 1884 and I &#8230; <a href="http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/2013/04/ask-the-photo-expert-governess-ancestor/"><strong>Read More...</strong></a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our photo dating expert, Jayne Shrimpton, analyses your family photos.</p>
<p><strong>Elizabeth Cargill sent us her photo and asked:</strong></p>
<p>&#8216;I am hoping that you will be able to date this photo for me. My cousin was born in 1884 and I believe she was a governess. I have tried to research the company but haven&#8217;t found very much. Thanks for your help.&#8217;</p>
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<p><strong>Jayne says:</strong></p>
<p>&#8216;This is a professional studio photograph dating from the early 20th century. As the old carte de visite and cabinet card formats began to die out during the Edwardian era, new types of portrait photograph became fashionable. One popular style was the photograph presented in a cartouche-like frame on a pale or soft-coloured mount, as we see here.</p>
<p>The so-called USA Studios, whose name does not represent a transatlantic business or location, but reflects the growing British interest in American culture in the early-1900s, used this format frequently, although they were equally well-known for their postcard photographs, then also coming into vogue. I have been unable to discover precise operational dates online for the USA Studios, but they were a prolific photographic chain operating from London and many different towns around the time this photograph was taken. If you wish to discover dates for individual USA Studios branches, this information can be requested from the <a href="http://www.cartedevisite.co.uk" target="_blank">photographic website</a> which provides photographer data for a small fee.</p>
<p>Turning to the image, we see a well-dressed young woman wearing the fashions of the late-Edwardian era. Her smart ‘tailor-made’ suit &#8211; the popular term for a plain tailored skirt and matching jacket – was a stylish and respectable yet relatively practical outfit. Many Edwardian women favoured this for everyday wear when out in public, for work and even for some special occasions. An attractive blouse, like the high-necked blouse worn here, and an eye-catching hat added a formal, feminine touch and completed the ensemble.</p>
<p>The hat adopted here &#8211; sometimes referred to as the ‘gateau’ style due to the wide crown, which is almost as broad as the brim &#8211; offers a great dating clue, as this shape can be dated broadly to c.1907-1912. It was most fashionable during the years 1908-11. Fitting on top of a full hairstyle, such hats had to be secured by hat pins and a pin is visible here. Unusually, perhaps, this lady also wears rather chunky woollen, suede or fur mittens – slightly less elegant than the leather gloves often seen in studio photographs.</p>
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<p>You mention that this relative is believed to be a cousin born in 1884 and this seems to be a plausible identification. She would have been aged between around 24 and 28 at the time of this photograph – the kind of age that we might estimate this young woman to be. Her dress and general appearance does not indicate any particular occupation or profession, although looking at her confident pose and direct gaze, it is quite possible to imagine her as a governess. Perhaps she visited the photographer on this occasion to commemorate the start of a new job.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>Ask the expert &#8211; workhouse birth</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Apr 2013 09:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Our resident expert Stephen Rigden, pictured below, answers your queries. From Val Dunne: &#8216;The 1871 census shows my great-grandfather, aged 10, as a pauper, living in a house in Everton with his sister, aged 16, a servant, and the head &#8230; <a href="http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/2013/04/ask-the-expert-workhouse-birth/"><strong>Read More...</strong></a>]]></description>
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<p><strong>From Val Dunne</strong>:</p>
<p>&#8216;The <a href="http://www.findmypast.co.uk/search/census/1871/person">1871 census</a> shows my great-grandfather, aged 10, as a pauper, living in a house in Everton with his sister, aged 16, a servant, and the head of the house who was no relation. I am unable to find birth certificates for both brother and sister. If they were born in a workhouse, would they be on the national register of births?&#8217;</p>
<p><strong>Stephen says</strong>:</p>
<p>&#8216;Hi Val,</p>
<p>The short answer to your question is ‘yes’. The indexes to the civil registers of birth should be complete from July 1837 to date. A longer answer is ‘yes in theory, but not necessarily in practice’. Despite the threat of fines, registration was not made completely mandatory until 1875. Before that date, there was under-registration, due to a variety of factors: lack of awareness of the requirement, indifference, wariness of authority, non-compliance and transient family lifestyle, for example.<br />
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In addition to this, there is an inevitable small-percentage loss of actually recorded events due to clerical error, e.g., when copying an entry from the original district register of births into the quarterly copy prepared for the General Register Office, or accidentally turning two pages instead of one and missing out an entire spread of entries, or perhaps loss of entire registers in transit between the district level and the central office. There are also more contemporary hazards – for example, pages inadvertently not microfilmed and, therefore, not digitised for the online versions with which most of us are familiar these days, and entries that transcribers have mis-indexed (although this is unlikely to apply in your case, with your two missing entries).</p>
<p>Estimates of under-registration of birth vary, and perhaps can be exaggerated – the level will always be uncertain and unknowable. Even if the level never topped, say, 7%, this would still represent a lot of missing births (and potential genealogical brick walls!). In the very earliest years, to maybe the mid-1840s, one can see from comparing the <a href="http://www.findmypast.co.uk/search/england-and-wales/births">civil registers</a> with <a href="http://www.findmypast.co.uk/search/parish-records/baptisms?tab=1">parish registers</a> that some entries in the latter do not appear in the former. The reverse is also true of course, because the parish registers of the established church by their very nature exclude Catholics, Non-Conformists, Jews and others.</p>
<p>For certain districts, one sometimes also notices an unusually high number of entries indexed as ‘male’ or ‘female’ in the civil births (i.e. unnamed at registration) which bear names in the parish registers (i.e. because the child is baptised and christened). Don’t forget to consider these, just in case (they don’t necessarily denote an infant death).</p>
<p>Your great-grandfather would have been born circa 1860/61, by which time one would expect levels of under-recording to have fallen, although clearly not sufficiently for the state, as of course it acted to make registration compulsory from 1875. Moreover, one would definitely expect workhouse births to have been registered. Separate workhouse birth registers existed, at least for some institutions, and one would assume that these were copied to the central authorities in the normal way.</p>
<p>It is also worth remarking that while some families were born into poverty and never escaped it, others could fall upon hard times with alarming speed – in the mid-19th century there was no real equivalent of the modern welfare state. Just because your great-grandfather was a pauper in 1871, therefore, it doesn’t mean that he would have been born into poverty circa 1860/61.</p>
<p>There are other reasons why you might not be able to find his birth – you don’t give any specifics, so I can only speculate, but here are some possibilities: he may have been born outwith England &amp; Wales (e.g., Ireland, or Isle of Man); he may have been registered under a variant of his name; he may have been born illegitimately and his birth registered under his mother’s name; or he may have been born legitimately, lost his father to premature death and taken the surname of a step-father after a remarriage of his mother; or he may have been informally fostered and taken the name of the family in whose care he was placed. Note that each of these possibilities could equally apply to the sister that you mentioned.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>Ask the expert &#8211; mysterious Scottish ancestor</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Apr 2013 09:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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<p><strong>From Hilary Hillier</strong>:</p>
<p>&#8216;I am having difficulty finding the birth record of my great-grandmother Lily Mary Bruce. Her name has been spelt various ways and I have a copy of her marriage certificate for 25 December 1875 in the parish of St Luke, Kentish Town in the county of Middlesex. On this certificate my great-grandmother&#8217;s name was spelt ‘Lillie Mary’ when she married Henry Thomas Hill and her age is stated as &#8216;full&#8217;. Her father is Edward Ernest Bruce.</p>
<p>I have found Lily&#8217;s residence in the <a href="http://www.findmypast.co.uk/search/census/1901/person">1901 census</a> when her age is stated to be 48 years and her birth place Scotland. Her address at this time is the parish of Clapham, borough of Battersea. I also have found Lily in the <a href="http://www.findmypast.co.uk/search/census/1911/person">1911 census</a> aged 59 years in the registration district of Wandsworth.</p>
<p>Her name on both censuses is spelt as &#8216;Lily Mary Hill&#8217; with birthplace as Edinburgh, Scotland. I have spent many hours searching birth records in Scotland and the UK using Lillie Mary Bruce, and Lily Mary Bruce and even Mary Bruce, with no success.</p>
<p>I did find a Mary Bruce in <a href="http://www.findmypast.co.uk/search/census/1851/person">1851 Scotland census</a>, however, aged 0 with birthplace as Edinburgh in the county of Fife. This record did not give other household members, however, so I am unsure if this is my great-grandmother.</p>
<p>I’m hoping you can shed some light on this for me.&#8217;</p>
<p><strong>Stephen says</strong>:</p>
<p>&#8216;Thanks for your email about your great-grandmother. I’ve made some searches myself and can appreciate the difficulties you have experienced and can add only a little to your knowledge of the family.<br />
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Firstly, I infer from your email that you have found the family on the 1901 and 1911 censuses, but not the <a href="http://www.findmypast.co.uk/search/census/1881/person">1881</a> and <a href="http://www.findmypast.co.uk/search/census/1891/person">1891</a> censuses – as Lily married in 1875, one should expect to find those two earlier census returns too.</p>
<p>Here are the references for the two census returns in question:</p>
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<li>1881: RG11 piece 649 folio 73 page 42</li>
<li>1891: RG12 piece 424 folio 34 page 5</li>
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<p>You can go straight to the images in question by inputting these citations at findmypast.co.uk’s <a href="http://www.findmypast.co.uk/referenceSearch.action">census reference search page</a>. If you don’t already do so, I would encourage you to keep census references such as these, so you can return to the images easily in future.</p>
<p>In 1891, the surname has seemingly been written as ‘Nill’ but it is clearly the same Hill family – perhaps the enumerator had trouble reading the original householder’s return that he used when compiling his returns, or perhaps what appears to be an N is simply a hastily and badly written H.</p>
<p>In both years, the family was residing in Battersea. Both returns agree with the age data from the 1901 and 1911 censuses, i.e., indicating that Lily was born circa 1851-53 in Scotland. The description ‘full age’ at her marriage in 1875 means she was at least 21 years old and, therefore, born before 1854.</p>
<p>What is interesting about the 1881 census is that your great-grandmother’s name is given not as Lily but as Elizabeth. It is not commonly known that Lily is a hypocoristic, or familiar form, of Elizabeth – and, by the way, Isabella is also a cognate of Elizabeth. This means you should consider not just Lily and its multiple variations, but also Elizabeth and its own body of diminutives and variants.</p>
<p>The other comment I would make is that Edward Ernest Bruce does not sound like a typically Scottish combination of names – to me, the forenames shout out that he was English, or of English parentage, which is not necessarily the same thing. Perhaps the family was from the north-east, or had Scottish connections, and your great-grandmother resided only temporarily in Scotland (or not at all, but thought she was, or liked to think she was), and was not born there.</p>
<p>Remember that all information on census returns is based upon that provided by the individuals concerned, and accepted and recorded in good faith by the census enumerators – evidence was never part of the system. This means that much mistaken information is embedded in every census return – in the case of place of birth, people might not know where they were born, or may have forgotten, or simply given the nearest recognisable place rather than the fine detail.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, however, this doesn’t seem to open up as many leads as one might hope – I have checked on both findmypast.co.uk and <a href="http://scotlandspeople.gov.uk/" target="_blank">ScotlandsPeople</a> and not found obvious references to your great-grandmother in the <a href="http://www.findmypast.co.uk/search/census/1871/person">1871</a> or <a href="http://www.findmypast.co.uk/search/census/1861/person">1861</a> censuses for England or Scotland, nor in <a href="http://www.findmypast.co.uk/search/england-and-wales/births">birth indexes for England</a> or baptisms for Scotland (civil registration in Scotland did not commence until 1855, after she was born).</p>
<p>On ScotlandsPeople it is possible to search for baptisms by name of father, and this shows only one Edward Bruce having children in Scotland in the 1840s and up to 1854 – he appears to have been Edward Wilson Bruce, a hatter from Newcastle upon Tyne who married in Edinburgh in 1837. He had a number of daughters but not, unfortunately, an Elizabeth or Lily at around the right date. This negative outcome may also lean towards your ancestor not having been born in Scotland.</p>
<p>Finally, as I have mentioned in several earlier responses to questions, when you are baffled by not finding a birth/baptism at the expected date and place, you have to consider all the possible permutations – not just whether the person was born at a different location but, for example, perhaps under a different surname. Maybe she was born illegitimately and is registered under her mother’s name, or maybe she was born legitimately but lost her father at a young age and took the name of her step-father after her mother remarried.</p>
<p>Also, even the most casual glimpse at such records as are contained within our <a href="http://www.findmypast.co.uk/search/crime-prison-punishment/">Crime, Prisons &amp; Punishment 1770-1934</a> collection, launched in February this year, shows the astonishing variety of aliases which people used, for all sorts of reasons – including, of course, criminal ones. I’m not suggesting for one second that your great-grandmother was deeply involved in Battersea’s criminal underworld, of course! Remember, however, that the actions of parents are visited on their issue – if an ancestor changes his or her name, that name change most probably will cascade down through the generations of their descendants, and of course this is one of the major blocks which researchers will come across when researching their family trees back in time.</p>
<p>Good luck with your research, Hilary, and do let us know if you make any breakthroughs. Perhaps there is even a reader out there who will see this and recognise that you share a common ancestor.&#8217;</p>
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