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19 Dec 2012Ask the photo expert – mystifying sports team
Our photo dating expert, Jayne Shrimpton, analyses your family photos.
Cindy Faulkner sent us her photo and asked:
‘Here is a photo that has stumped the family for ages. We think it could be from our Faulkner or Jackson line back in Bradford, Yorkshire, England. What is the sports team and the approximate year? Thanks for your assistance.’
Jayne says:
‘This is an interesting photograph that, as you say, seems to represent a sports team. I decided to feature this picture as, although I can approximately date it and confirm the general theme, the exact details of what it represents are hard to determine from the visual image alone. This photograph needs to be shared and circulated, in the hope that someone somewhere can shed some more light on the scene. Probably several copies of this photo were produced at the time, for the various girls pictured here and their families, so there should be other versions in existence and perhaps another copy has been passed down with more information attached to it. Or just possibly a viewer may happen to recognise somebody or something in the picture that holds the key to understanding precisely why and exactly when it was taken.
This is a professional photograph and we know from the written details at the foot of the picture that the studio location was Bradford, West Yorkshire. I have been unable to discover anything useful online about the photographer, S. A. Wilkinson, but the geographical location is helpful and I see that you have already narrowed down likely connections to two branches of your family who lived in Bradford. The other clue that should help with identifying one of your ancestors here is the date range of the photograph. This studio interior, displaying a panelled room and small-paned windows, is typical of the 1910s, while various dress clues here also support that decade. In particular, the girls’ hairstyles, which vary from long plaits, through ponytails, to ringlets, mainly secured with huge taffeta bows, are characteristic of the period c.1910-20. So this is your key timeframe when considering family members who may possibly appear in the scene.
As we see, the girls in this photograph are all dressed similarly in what appear to be sporting outfits. Their open-necked blouses could be special sports blouses or part of a school uniform, since many are worn with a tie. Regulation school uniform was becoming firmly established for older pupils by the 1910s, although the distinction between regular uniform and school sportswear could be blurred, the gym slip, for example, crossing over from PT classes to school day wear. Here, the dark skirts worn with black woollen stockings are shorter than the fashionable calf length hemlines of the 1910s, so they would seem to be designated sports skirts. Aged in their ‘teens’ (a term not used in the 1910s), the girls could well be members of a Bradford high school, or possibly they belong to a local sports club or team that had its own official uniform.
The girls display various badges and medals on their ties and blouses, including shield-shaped cloth badges and pendant metal medallions bearing a dark cross and we may assume that some, or all, of these are sports medals. The trophies placed proudly in the centre of the picture seem to confirm their success in winning one or more sporting championships, although, unfortunately, in this case an emblem or symbol of their event, such as a hockey stick, ball or dumb bell, has not been included in the scene.
There are 11 girls here, which could, for example, suggest a hockey team; the game of field hockey becoming very popular at this time. Another typical female event of the era was gymnastics, although perhaps this is less likely. The man in the background, who also wears early-20th century-style sportswear and medals, must be the trainer or coach, while the two men in regular suits could be teachers (if these are school girls) or perhaps a team manager and another club official.

Jayne Shrimpton
We have a date range and a celebratory sports-related occasion, but without more specific input, I’m afraid it isn’t going to be possible to firmly identify this Bradford team or their sport. If the medals and badges can be recognised, they may well hold the key to this picture, but there is no single source available that provides this kind of information. To investigate further, it might be worth your while contacting local sources such as the West Yorkshire Archive Service in Bradford, who have a sporting section and keep historical records (PDF) relating to local sports associations.
Finally, Cindy, don’t forget to look through your collection of 20th century photographs carefully to see if you can spot any of these people in other family pictures. Also inquire among other relatives with Bradford ancestry. Meanwhile, if any readers have useful information or even possess the same photograph at home, please let us know. The answers to the remaining questions should be out there somewhere!’
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The right hand half (as we view it) of the shield on the man’s singlet and some of the girls’ blouses would appear to be the right hand half of the crest of the City of Bradford, but the left hand side is not. This would suggest a “quartering” (which actually means halving !) of Bradford’s shield with somewhere else; perhaps Leeds and Bradford, possibly Bradford and Bingley (could this have been a building society company team ?); there again perhaps Bradford and a sporting shield.
This appears to be a place of original film production in which the original single lens camera able to make a movie was inveneted by a man named le Prince. He disappeared. A George Wilkinson took over some premises involved in all this.
http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/news_cityoffilm/news_cityoffilm_features/4461549.Captain_Kettle_s_place_in_film_history/
The women are well bred and quite revealing , even for eg the roaring twenties. Google says sinful photography had appeared. Some have a arms flag or shield which is same whilst others do not. At this time places like St petersburg had tramways which were as modern or more modern than eg 1970,s so fashion would seem to follow.
Hello Adrian
Many thanks for your helpful observations about the quartering of the shield, which is a specialised subject. Hopefully the likelihood of a Leeds and (perhaps) Bradford – or even a Bradford & Bingley building society company team will give Cindy some more ideas to consider.
Did you notice that the girl middle row extreme right has “Elsie” written on the sleeves of her blouse?
Hello Sue
How clever of you to spot the name Elsie written in ink on the blouse of the girl seated in the middle row, far right – a fresh pair of eyes!
This seems to be written afterwards in ink on the print, to identify the one girl. I hope Cindy is reading these comments as now, thanks to you, we have a likely name for her ancestor.
Two things that I have noticed:
1. There is a small mascot at the bottom centre of the photograph
2. There seems to be a wide disparity in the ages of the girls: the 2 front left girls seem considerably younger than the two middle right girls. Is that common?
Hello Sue
Thank you for spotting the little mascot. Do you agree that he looks like a dog? I wonder if it may help with firmly identifying this team.
Yes, the girls in the front left do look younger than the others. I suppose their respective ages would depend on the nature of the team: if it is a sports club or local company team then perhaps their ages were more likely to be mixed than if they were a school team.
The young women are wearing clothes for performing gymnastics and could indeed be members of a club rather than a school. The Bradford Gymnastic Club had members of both sexes c1910-12. The photo may represent a female all-age gymnastic team or possibly reflects the age category in which each individual excelled. This photo is c1910. The gentleman centre front is also wearing a typical gymnast uniform for the period.
Christina
Thank you very much for your helpful observations: it sounds as though you are an expert on early 20th century sports and, especially, gymnastics. Your comments about the Bradford Gymnastic Club are great. I agree that the man at the back could be wearing a male gymnast’s outfit.
I dealt with a gymnastic team photograph dating from the mid-1910s not long ago for Family Tree magazine. The outfits were different to these, but I suspect there were variations at that date, when ‘uniforms’ were still evolving.
The young women are wearing box pleated shorts. These were common sports dress for young ladies, I even wore them in the 1950s for hockey.
Hello Patricia
Many thanks for your thoughts about what the girls are wearing. Yes, you may well be right about box-pleated shorts, rather than skirts. Culotte-type knickerbockers similar to these (but slightly longer) were worn in 1908 for gymnastics displays in the Olympics and, from what you say, similar garments were still considered suitable for school sports in the 1950s.
The hands are clasped not lady like but incrementally different.ol fah was used then but was other now more common as eg deaf used.
should be
http://russiapedia.rt.com/prominent-russians/science-and-technology/evgeny-botkin/
the telegraph and argus link above talks of historical person George A Wilkinson which seems close to S A Wilkinson
Hi Jayne, i have a few nice old photos,but have troubles putting a date to them, How can i send you a copy
Best Regards
Paul
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Jess (findmypast.co.uk digital content manager)
Great article and a very useful resource to be aware of. We restore old photos on are often asked to date photos for our clients. Through repairing so many photos you do gain a certain knowledge that allows you to make a rough estimate but the reallity is it’s a distinct skill in its own right. As this article verifies.
Thank You for the chance to learn of context. Similar experience comes from eg the documentaries on redefining old paintings once thought as not quite but nearly the artists work. context seems to help. eg my first thought on those badges were that they seemed to eminate a kind og German or Austrian colouring.
Anyway there is a mention of bradford here which is contextual– eg how the girls on Australias Gold Coast might sport their bathers in a certain period of generations versus say a photo of cape Cod versus Blackpool.
http://www.its-behind-you.com/monavivian.html
The sleeve on the other side from “Elsie” reads the name “Eloise”. If the photo is of family then these should assist.
I’m quite sure both are “Elsie”.
Very informative article and one that has made me have a rethink. I’ve recently been restoring an old photo of a professional football team from the early 1900′s. Knowing some of the players names and comparing them to football stats from that era I knew the photo was taken somewhere between 1909 and 1923. Again, basing my dating on the stats available I put the photo between 1919 and 1922 and was pretty confident.
However, the clothing worn is very similar to some of that in this photo so it’s got me thinking again now.
Maybe a different point of view… I don’t know too much about it, but the trophies – especially the two larger cups – displayed in the centre might be unique – or ath least specific enough to be identifiable…
Just a shot in the dark, I admit…
Another thing I noticed is about the tie knots. The extremely narrow knot of the top roght gentleman’s tie seems peculiar to me – but probably only because I’m not familiar with the period’s men’s tie knot trends at all. But I thought, maybe there’s some tiny chance that could narrow the time frame somehow (probably not)
the more interesting thing – to me, the totally uninitiated, at least – is the girls’ tie knots. What makes them interesting to me is that they aren’t uniform: neither the ties, nor the knots. Some doesn’t even look like genuine knots, but something like today’s clip-on ties, with a fake knot on them: for example, the two girls in the middle of the front row seem to have such ties. Other ties seem to be “normally” tied around the neck, with a “normal” knot, like on the girl in the bottom right corner.
What I don’t know is how rigorous the dress code was bcak then: could the same school/sporting club allow such varying types of ties? Or would this indicate that these girls come from different schools?
This is, once again, a shot in the dark only. I’m just trying to find things in this photo that hasn’t yet been mentioned. Probably nothing interesting or worthy – but maybe.
Hi, was looking with interest at this picture and the medal in the centre of the chest of the guy in the centre,being the largest seemed important. It bears a resemblance to an Olympic medal from the 1908 games and I wondered if this wasn’t a photo call perhaps to inspire young female athletes??
Any thoughts anyone?
Steve
Nice find. I googled it – and that medal does, indeed look like one side of the medals of the 1908 Olympics – the right hand one on this imae: http://www.olympic-museum.de/w_medals/winmedreplica1908.jpg
Two things, however: first, as I see, the side that resembles the one on the man’s chest was the backside of the medal (assuming the frontside of the medal was the one with the writing on it) – and it would seem unlikely that he would put the medal on backwards – though not at all impossible, of course. Second, as far as I can see, the medals of these early Olympic games weren’t meant to be worn in the neck, therefore they had no holes to put the ribbon through. The medal on the man’s chest seems to have a hole on it, where a ribbon is introduced. I’m not sure someone would drill a hole on an Olympic medal – though, once again, not entirely impossible, either.
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But… I found two British athletes among the 1908 Olympic medal winners who are in the right age frame and seem to resemble the man in the middle. One is George Mieville Simond (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/90/G.M._Simond_%28tennis%29.jpg/220px-G.M._Simond_%28tennis%29.jpg) who was born in 1867 and played tennis. the other man is George Edward Larner (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/15/George_Larner.jpg) who was born in 1875 and was a walker.
I found no reference of either of them being connected to Bradford, nor have I found any indication that either of them worked as a trainer for young girls.
This is probably a dead end and brings us no closer to the solution of this photo’s mystery – but I thought it was worth mentioning.