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23 May 2012Ask the photo expert – mystery scene
Our photo expert, Jayne Shrimpton, analyses your family photos.
Evan Franklin sent us his photo and asked:
‘I found this photo among my late father’s photographs. I suspect that it was taken around 1920 in South East England and would like to know where. In December 1918, when my father was 11 and his brother was 9, they were orphaned when their parents died in London from Spanish flu, within 14 days of each other. The boys were placed in Dr Barnado’s home.
They never spoke of the ordeal but at the age of 16 one ended up as a sailor on a ship between Southampton and Cape Town, South Africa and the other was sent to a Canadian farm. The brothers never met up again. We think that the lady in this picture is a Mrs Alice Newman Hall who took the two boys in on weekends and left them £50 each in her will.’
Jayne says:
‘Old photographs often connect in a direct way with the experiences of past family members. The story that you have related is very poignant and one that may well resonate with other family historians reading this.
Many of our forebears were affected by the pandemic known as the Spanish flu, which claimed around 200,000 British lives in 1918, while orphaned children were frequently separated from their siblings and ended up leading new lives abroad. It sounds as though Mrs Newman Hall played an important role in the unfortunate young lives of your father and uncle and it would be good to be able to establish whether she could be the lady pictured here and, if possible, where the photograph was taken.
This street scene is either a casual amateur snapshot or an example of a ‘walking picture’, a photograph of passers-by taken by a street photographer who then handed the subjects a ticket and, if they wished, they could visit the photographer’s kiosk later, to purchase their photograph.
The lady in the foreground is the most prominent figure here and, since this photo has survived in your father’s collection, it does seem likely that she was known to him. She looks to be middle-aged or elderly, perhaps aged somewhere between her late 50s and early 70s, so hopefully this fits in with what you know of Mrs Hall’s age at the time that the photograph was taken.
Dating outdoor photographs like this relies on accurately dating visual clues, especially the dress of any people in the scene. The lady we believe to be Mrs Hall is conservatively dressed, although her appearance is hard to pinpoint very precisely, several younger women are more up to date and wear the fashions of the later 1920s or turn of the 1930s – c.1926-30. We see this especially from their short hemlines, first worn at around knee-level in 1926, and from two deep-crowned cloche hats, a style of the later 1920s and very early 1930s. The parked motor cars along the kerb are also from this kind of era.
Judging from your story, your father and his brother were already travelling or living overseas by the time of this photograph, but perhaps Mrs Hall sent it to your father a year or two after his departure as a way of keeping in touch. Positively identifying the urban environment seen here is difficult as there are no firm clues, although you suspect a location in South East England. If a street photographer took this photograph, a seaside town is possible, since many worked in popular holiday resorts, although I have seen examples taken elsewhere.
Do any findmypast.co.uk readers by chance have a similar photograph that may shed some light on this picture, or happen to recognise this wide, tree-lined street flanked by shops?’

Jayne Shrimpton
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I am wondering, Evan, if you know that you can obtain information about your father by going to the Library and Archives Canada website.The genalogy society to which I belong has done extensive work on indexing records of Home Children including those sent from Barnardo Homes. We have also published a book called, Home Children: Their Stories. Our society is British Isles Family History Society of Greater Ottawa (BIFHSGO)
I know this may seem a little off topic, but your father’s story is related to what our society has done. Anne S. in Ottawa
The street scene in this picture could be Cheltenham, Gloucestershire. The trees are still there. It was a very popular Spa Town at that time
Hello Maddy
Good to see you on here! Thank you for your suggestion of Cheltenham for this mystery scene. I hope that, between us, we can help Evan to identify the setting of this important photograph.
Re: Maddy Cook
Am not familiar with Cheltenham but notice the trees are trimmed so as the leaves are very high (almost as you see a palm tree in its natural state) Could these be palm trees? Was this something peculiar to Cheltenham? Curious.
Re: Maddy Cook
Am not familiar with Cheltenham but notice the trees are trimmed so as the leaves are very high (almost as you see a palm tree in its natural state) Could these be palm trees? Was this something peculiar to Cheltenham? Curious.
I’m not sure about Cheltenham, but many coastal towns on the south coast have palm trees growing along the esplanades, which may bring us back to the possibility of a seaside resort somewhere in south-eastern England.
Hello,I am sorry to be late in sending this. I have been looking at old postcards of THE PROMENADE in CHELTENHAM on Ebay. They are remarkably similar to Evan`s. Even the lamp posts are similar. The trees, by the way, are probably not Palms. These areprobably Plane Trees as they show branching in a way that palms do not.
Had a quick look for a marriage between an Alice Newman and a Hall. I found just 1. This took place in Croydon in 1911 between Alice and Percy. I lived in the Croydon area some years ago. The picture could be there but I am not sure which street was treelined or if the pavements were that wide
Maddy, Thank you very much for helping with this inquiry. Hopefully your ideas will give Evan something to go on – a possible Cheltenham or Croydon location.
If it were possible to establish the number plate details of the nearest car, the first two letters were identifiable as to which county the car was registered in…this may help?