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Dervla Kirwan on Who Do You Think You Are?

Last night’s episode of Who Do You Think You Are? was a rollercoaster ride for Dervla Kirwan. She found out about her great great uncle Michael Collins, a key player in establishing the Irish Free State, and the political relationship between Michael and his nephew, Finian.

Dervla Kirwan

Dervla Kirwan (copyright damo1977)

The programme spent a lot of time focusing on Dervla’s great grandfather, Henry Kahn. Henry was Jewish and married Teresa O’Shea, a Catholic, in what was for the time a very unusual (yet very romantic) union. Henry was sentenced to 12 months in prison for breaking a window, and in his hearing was subjected to anti-semitic comments by a notorious judge, who refused to let Henry make a statement in his defence and condemned him as ‘a specimen of your nation and your race that cause you to be hunted out of every country’.

This incident was so grievous (and a reflection of how Jews were viewed at that time) that it led to a question being asked in the House of Commons and it was even retold in James Joyce’s epic novel Ulysses.

Henry’s prison sentence, which involved months of hard labour, ‘broke’ him and he died aged 50 after suffering a series of strokes. Dervla described her journey into her past as ‘tough’ but said that she would recommend anyone to do the same. It just goes to show that tracing your family history can throw up some unexpected revelations, not all of which might be easy to hear.

  • Mary Simpson

    As somebody who’s family is completely Irish, it would have been great – and potentially MUCH more useful / interesting, if your programme had explained more about researching Irish ancestors. Given the difficulies with Irish research, some research on Kirwan’s earlier ancestors would have been more interesting, although the Collins data was good, and the info on the war of independence and the ensuing civil war also very pertinent. An area probably ” terra incognito ” to the majority of the viewers.

    • Pamela

      I agree. It’s practically impossible on the findmypast website to find anyone not born in Britain. All my family is from Ireland, both north and south so howe do I go about searching ? Any ideas greatfully received !

      Pamela Snowden

  • E Goodwin

    As an Irish person researching her family I was staggered by this episode. I am sure that the programme has to explain unfamiliar history to the audience but Ms Kirwan did apear to have lived in a vacuum or possibly did not go to school given her take on Irish History. The reference to Joyce’s Ullyses was so obvious I even told my son it was going to be said and just waited for that moment when they linked the two events. So a Dublin reared actress has never heard of Leopold Bloom? I agree with the previous poster that some direction to assist with tracing Irish ancestors might have been useful.

    • http://FindMyPast Linda Burgham

      As all my ancestors are Irish born, both North and South, I was looking forward to this episode and was not disappointed. However, I do agree that more information about how to search for Irish ancestors would have beeen helpful. especially as more resouces have become available online recently. I have found some of my ancestors on Find My Past, sailors aboard ships docked in England and recently found my grandparents on a Passenger List, from Belfast bound for Canada.
      Can someone confirm that FMP are planning to include Irish records on their website

      • http://www.findmypast.co.uk jessmoore

        Hi Linda,

        You’ll be pleased to hear that we’ve got some very interesting Irish records coming to findmypast.co.uk which don’t yet have a publication date. We’ll keep you updated on when you can expect to view them on the website. Thanks!

  • JG Lichfield

    Many Irish records were destroyed in the civil war period which makes Irish research much harder. Records for north and south were not separate until after Irish independence although individual church records exist if you have some idea of family origins.

    • R Thompson

      As an Australian researching my g.g. grandfather in Co. Laois, it is impossible to get information from the RC Church. I had the church, date, names. Rang the priest direct, was willing to help. So, I sent through the relevant information, and a donation to the church. Did I get anything back, not on your life, not even an acknowledgment. Sent another letter, no reply. It is a disappointment to be treated like this by a person of the cloth.

      • K. Woodward

        I’ve had the same problem. I even went to the trouble of sending reply-paid stamps with all the fmily details, but no reply.

  • Vicky

    I too have Irish ancestry and it is awful to try and find anything on the internet to research them. A good and free site to look at 1901 and 1911 Irish census records is http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/. I have found a lot of great information on there.

  • angela woolhouse

    Yes I agree,this was a very good Irish history program and I would not have missed it for the world.BUT from a family tree point it left me frustrated.I too had Irish family who we in the IRA at the same time as Dervia but will never know what they did for their country.
    I would like to trace my Irish roots but too few web sites have any information and those that do charge so much to search for a needle in a haystack.

  • David

    I found the programme fascinating. As someone who has Irish ancestry on one side of the family, I recently spent a day at their records office in Dublin. This holds indexes of births, marriages and deaths from 1864. Although some are missing due to the Civil War, I found almost everything I was looking for.

    It was well worth the air fare from England, and the small admisson fee.

    I agree that more information on line would be helpful though.

  • Bess

    I have very much enjoyed the series but it is all getting rather removed from the original useful reseach tips for ordinary mortals trying to do familly history research as the series has progressed.

    I agree with the posts above that it would be helpful to have given more tips on searching Irish records and some guidance on what is held where for all those of us who have families who left Ireland at the time of the famine. – I have made trips to Dublin and chased between venues to find BMD register entries, certifcates and land records for ancestors from Cavan and Monaghan who left in the 1840s but at least I knew the names of the counties where they were born and then just searched all the possible church registers.

    I now need to search all records for my other gt grandparents who are rather unhelpfully listed in the English Census as being from ‘Ireland’ in the 1871 census!

    My gt grandfather may be from Co. Down or Sligo where his name is found in numbers but could be from anywhere! I really have no idea how to narrow the search since I cannot find his first name listed anywhere with his surname at the right date, nor a marriage.

    It would have been useful to know if anyone has transcribed church registers for the various Counties in Ireland N and S in a form that is free to search. I don’t even know how to identify the gaps in information since you have to be a member of many of the FHS before you can leave a message on their web sites and roots web has drawn a blank.

    Still the series is very entertaining….

  • John Barrett

    Your various posters may not have explored enough ! Although I live in Dublin, I have had great success working on-line. Here are some Irish sites for your posters, if they REALLY want to work at it !
    “familysearch.org” (the Mormon site) has ALL Irish B/M/Ds from 1864 transcribed, giving ref nos which can then be used to get originals from the Register Generals office in Dublin (€4 per copy)
    The National Archive of Ireland has complete 1901 & 1911 Census on-line; one can even see & print the originals.
    “rootsireland.ie” covers B/M/D from most counties, usually up to 1900, but going back in some to 18th century. Charges here €5 to obtain copy.
    “irishgenealogy.ie” is a free Govt, site with parish records of 18 & 19th century, from some Dublin City,Carlow, Cork & Kerry parishes. Very useful as it searches names of godparents/bestman etc/parents.
    My advice ? Start with one of the Census’. Good luck!!!
    PS The 1922 fire story is misleading……..it was mostly land records which were lost. And the 19th century census material was “pulped” by the Govt.(English !!) for the “war-effort” in 1914.

  • John Barrett

    To “Bess”:
    The “rootsireland.ie” site may be best for you; it has records from CoDown & Sligo. Try the “advanced search” and include the wifes name with your gtgrndfther. You can do that for the whole island & see what happens. It is free to register, but each document costs €5, so be sparing in your purchases.You may be lucky if the names are not too common. Want to tell us ? Still, cheaper than a week in Dublin !!

  • maureen

    I was really looking forward to the programme as I have been brought up with stories of being related to Michael Collins. I am keen to try to trace how this may be. I know my grandmother was born in Dublin and moved to England as a young adult but i do not know how to trace back Irish ancestry. I thought the programme was very good. I was also told my grandmother worked on the Titanic as a French polisher at Harland & Wolff in Belfast and would like to know more about this possibility. Any suggestions on how I could look this up?

  • http://findmypast.com Catherine Cerullo

    I am jumping with joy at reading the above comments. All my anscestors are from Ireland (both N. and S.). I have tried hard to find them with no success. There just does not seem to be the same amount of info on line about Irish history, as there is about England,Wales and Scotland.I am not a rich person, but would appreciate any help I can get with respect to where to search, at a reasonable price.
    Thank you

  • John Barrett

    I live in Dublin and have done most of my research online for my family..all Irish in Ireland. If you want any advice email me “barrettjc@gmail.com”. But you might only need to try the sites I list above.

  • http://findmypast Tracey

    I was so disappointed! My grandfather was a Kirwan and came from Dublin and Dervla chose not to pursue her Kirwan line. I think the only thing I can do is try and get to Dublin as I can’t tell for sure who my grandfather’s parents were.

    • john mcgregor

      like Tracey i’m interested in the Kirwan name, Mary G Kirwin in my case.Who was born about 1800 married Thomas Richards in Dublin?
      and thats about all i know about her.like many others it’s difficult
      with Irish ancestry. We have’nt yet seen the Dervia story in Australia.

  • Jane

    I remember my parents saying that there might be Jewish blood in our family because my grandfather’s father was supposed to be Jewish, and he married a Catholic girl in Dublin and had two children who were brought up Catholic. My grandfather’s father’s name was Hiram Greenwood and his mother was Mary laRoche.

    I was always curious, as my grandfather was long dead when I was born, and his father was barely mentioned, a very distant shadow.

  • Ann Marie

    You can use this website to get yourself started.

    http://www.Rootschat.com

    It is people like us researching our family tree’s. They have helped me greatly.

  • Ann Marie

    You can also e-mail me at amsbyrnester@gmail.com and i can help you if needed.

  • janne carter

    I am also distantly related to Michael Collins and Rory Oconnor.
    My family came from Klonikilty in Co. Cork. They were Bradleys. Crowleys and Collins. It would be lovely to think I might be related to Dervla

    • P MERRICK

      My great grandmother was Kate Crowley who was related to Michael Collins .Have you done any more research.

  • Sue Smith

    Like a lot of us there are family stories about our relatives fighting the soldiers during the troubles my family came from around the Cork/Derry area(Eire) our surname was Gould. Is there any way of checking any of the stories of the local people involved in the troubles around Cork/Derry?

    • John Barrett

      Hi Sue Smith,
      Unfortunately everyone in Ireland claimed to have fought in the “Troubles”; they say you could have filled Croke Park (capacity 90,000) with the people who claimed to be in the GPO in 1916 !!!
      By the way, I dont know if it’s a typo error, but Cork and Derry are at opposite ends of the country; perhaps you mean “Kerry”, which is adjacent.
      As to checking stories, there are many books published on the subject, and there are many personal statements of (verified)participants in the Bureau of Military History in Dublin.

      • John Barrett

        Hi again Sue Smith,
        I have looked in the 1911 Census, and there were 37 families Gould in CoCork & 6 in CoKerry. Have you any christian names or addresses ?

  • Catherine Burnell

    I have been trying for years to find out more about my Irish gt.grandparents, who came over in the famine – I think about 1847.
    My gt. grandfather’s surname was Abbott, but I haven’t a clue which area they came from. My gt. grandmother’s surname was McWilliams and I know she was born in Moneyneany in Co. Derry, but have never been able to find anything more. There seems to be very few records available before the mid 1800′s.

  • Sue Smith

    Thanks for the help my gt. gt. gransdfather’s first name was William and he was born in approx 1827. I believe that there was a brother who went to America but William went into the 40th Regiment of Foot on 22 Sept 1844 and stayed in for 22 years. I did discover an EJ Gould owning Belville, Cork in 1837. EJ must stand for Edwin James as these names appear down through the family tree.

  • Sue Smith

    By the way there is a Derry in Eire it is somewhere near Cashel. It must be a small hamlet but if you google the name it gives you exact directions.

  • Sue Smith

    Sorry I have re-looked at the map and the location of Derry is on the N71 – it’s a few miles outside of Ross Carbery heading toward Leap. Thanks again for your help

    • John Barrett

      Sue, Sorry for impugning your geographical knowledge !!
      Have you tried exploring the Cork City & County Archive ? (www.corkarchives.ie). They have some digitised lists online which include Goulds & Goolds. Also,a document (not online) called “Goolds in Ireland- Family History 1290-1799″.
      From “Google” I find a Gould in Rosscarberry renting holiday homes…….your next holiday ???

  • Terry Bugg

    Hi,
    Does anyone know if Dervla’s Kirwin’s ever had a branch that ventured to Australia late 1800′s to early 1900′s.
    Have not seen the show here in Oz yet but anything that helps with Irish ancestors will be a gret help.

    • John Barrett

      To Terry Bugg
      See my reply at number 7 above dated 17 Aug for on-line sites you can search for Irisn ancestors; chances are quite good,at least back to 1864 events.

  • alison Mason

    Hi, does anyone know how to find a maiden name? My Irish g.g.great grandmother was Charlotte Ross (her married surname is Ross), who was born on Cork, Ireland around about 1848 or 1851. I cannot find any birth, marriage, or death records accept that she was living in England in the 1901 census that states that she was married and the place of birth is Cork, Ireland. I can’t find much details or from other records of other family members that would help me find her maiden name. I have also tried the 1911 census and other censuses further back. I tried some of the Parish records in Cork and in the area of County Cork, but there are a few Charlotte’s from there and it could be any of them. Any help would appreciated. Just to mention also I enjoyed this particular series on Irish ancestors as the majority of my Irish family on my father’s side were the O’Shea family.

    • John Barrett

      To Alison,
      With her husband’s christian name,if known from census, the marriage could be found by cross-checking (on the computer index) all XXX Rosses for marriages to all Charlottes. The marriage cert will give the name ,address & occupation of her father. What age does she declare in 1901: that will identify approx birth-year. If she is C of Irl/C of Eng the data goes back further than the full civil records which began in 1964 in Ireland. I can advise you,if you wish, if you think the marriage took place in Ireland.
      If the husband was deceased in 1901, try guessing that the eldest son was named for him: it often works !

      • Julie

        Charlotte and George Ross are my great great grandparents – I too am trying to find out more about them – I have also drawn a blank – although I can tell you that one of their sons is William Patrick Ross – he is my great grandfather and was born in Warwick in 1884 – the workhouse I believe.

        I still live in Warwick!!

  • http://www.chrisburkelincoln.co.uk/ Chris Burke

    I thought this was a wonderful story that also proved that we can still learn from history. To take up racisim, was a a timely reminder of where that can take us in understanding the persecution this noble man faced. Also we had a real love story that bridged quite couragiously two great faiths. The Michael Collins link was facinating, he has long been a hero for me, and a reminder of how important our Irish heratage is, in my case nearly a century on from my Grandfathers migration to England. May I thank John Barratt and others for reminding us of the online Irish sources available. We should also be aware that these sites, particularly the Irish Government ones, are growing and being extended all the time.

  • re priest’s

    Sorry to hear you had trouble from a priest,not my experience had plenty of baptism records and most of the priest’s I asked for help were very helpful.Yes I had a couple who did not reply but in one case I found out he had been very ill,also some of the priest’s are getting on a bit and are not able to read the writing in the records.Tommy

  • Hazel Sykes

    Thanks John will try those sites. I am looking for my grandfather Timothy O’Sullivan which appears to be like ‘John Smith’ in England – I just cannot trace his birth approx 1889/90 – have found several but none fit the bill – I’m sure he is out there somewhere and was a prolific school teacher in the 1930s – also a Captain in the British Army (no no luck there either) and had a newspaper article about his death – buried in Currikippane and all this info but cannot trace birth (have visited Cork and been trying 10 years). My mother recalls him avoiding the Black and Tans in Cork.

  • http://Findmypast Mary G

    There are lots of personal websites where researchers have transcribed parish registers from LDS films. If you happen to know the County, or even better, the parish, then it is fairly easy to do some intelligent googling to find personal websites. For example, Claremorris baptisms and marriages in Co. Mayo. Some of the Rootsweb mailing lists for Irish Counties often include detailed messages from members who have transcribed sections of records, so it’s worth doing a keyword search through those. Although English census records usually just state Ireland for birthplace of immigrants, some gave more specific answers and you find the odd year where the county is given as well, or maybe a close relative living at a separate address will have that information, so it is important to check every linked person in every census year, especially if you don’t know exactly when they left Ireland. I even found my Irish grandfather giving the name of the townland where he was born as well as the parish and county which confirmed that he was at a house close to my grandmother’s family the year before they married. There are hundreds of thousands of Irish immigrants in UK census records, often lodging with relatives, I’ve found the county of origin of a few of mine that way. Getting beyond about 1820 is far more difficult than in England, because very few earlier records are available as many parish records from all over Ireland were lost in a Dublin fire in early 20th c. and census records before 1901 were also destroyed.

  • John Barrett

    To Hazel
    Your grandfather seems to have had a varied and unusual life; sought by the Black & Tans, and then joining the British Army ! Unique, I would think.
    You dont say where he taught school; in Ireland ? If so, if the location is known, he will appear in the school rolls in the National Archives.

  • R Forbes

    Reference tracing families in Ireland – do try the Griffiths Valuations. I recently manage to trace a specific family farm in Co CLare using the AskaboutIreland website. From there I identified a possible family and their location on the specific map also provided on the website. You may/will probably find that the references in the Griffiths transcription cannot be found on the map. This because the Enumerators changed the numbers soon after the original maps were prepared. A visit to the Valuation Office in Dublin (next to the GRO)will solve the problem and having identified the proper number the Enumerators books are available from the original survey up to around 1978. I managed to find 6 generations as the Farm passed along the line.

  • Hazel Sykes

    Thanks John – will try archives again. My grandfather joined the British Army first probably as a graduate from Irish university and then later when he left the Army and was a school teacher would then be avoiding the Black and Tans. I imagine at that time that you would keep it quiet that you had been in the British Army. What the army records at the archives don’t state is that they do not release the records if they were a proper serving soldier. Best wishes Hazel

    • John Barrett

      To Hazel,
      As you describe the sequence of events, your g-f’s career was not unusual; many Irishmen joined and fought in WW1 upon the promise of Home-rule from the British government in 1914, but when they became aware of the events of 1916 and their aftermath they decided that full independance was the better solution and used their military training to fight against the British forces,described as the “Black & Tans” because of their uniforms which were a motley issue of army khaki and RIC black. Indeed the first Chief-of-Staff of the Irish Army after Michael Collins followed such a path:it was not something to keep quiet about.

      I would have thought that his WW1 records would be available in the various sites which can be accessed through “findmypast”. Perhaps you should consult their experts.

      • Hazel Sykes

        Thanks John. Can you clarify if someone served before WW1 and after WW1 ie was a regular soldier in the British Army not just in WW1 that their record is available? Again with Timothy there are up to 12 in the British Army at that time and without his dob cannot access records via the army sites. I was at who do you think you are last year (excellent) but after talking to all the experts (army, Kew and Irish FH) still cannot trace his dob. My other GG’s English army records are only available on request as he was a regular soldier for 20 years or so.!

        • John Barrett

          Hi Hazel,
          I had a relative who I suspected had joined the Army in the 1890′s. There were several similar names and I opened a few in the “Chelsea Pensioners” file of findmypast, for a small charge. I found one who matched my info ( ie; next of kin, address in correct area, etc). The records showed his regiment, where he enlisted & served, his health & discipline records, and in particular the fact that he was discharged for lying about his age on enlistment !!
          I think you need a short-term subscription to findmypast and open all 12 names until you see something that matches other info which you already have.
          Perhaps I could help if you gave me more precise info which would open paths for someone based in Ireland with Irish knowledge. If you wish to contact me, email “barrettjc@gmail.com” I live in Dublin.

  • alison Mason

    Thanks John, in the 1901 English Census Charlotte Ross is aged 50 and her birth place is Cork, Ireland. I think her husband was George Ross from England. I think she came over to England near to the end of the famine in Ireland. She might be married in Ireland or over here in England. I can’t find any married certificate for her or her husband George Ross. Yes, his eldest son was named George Ross. Husband George Ross I think was deceased in 1892 as I found a possible death index for him. He was in the 1891 English Census but deceased by 1893 accoring to his son’s marriage certificate.

    • John Barrett

      To Alison,
      You certainly have a difficult task !
      Were the family Anglican or RC ? It will make a difference in the year Irish records began:1845 for CofI, 1864 for all others. Coincidentally (perhaps) 1845 was the year the famine began. In some districts RC families were obliged to renounce their Church to gain access to workhouses and food. The famine was deemed to end about 1852, so if, as you say, Charlotte moved to England soon after the famine, she would have moved with her family. Therefore there would be no need to seek a marriage to George Ross in Ireland (although I have tried for you, just in case: nothing).
      If she was born as CofI her birth should be registered in the GRO in Dublin; the several “Charlottes” in Cork which might emerge could be cross-referenced with “George Rosses” in UK records for a marriage. I can assist in Dublin, if you wish, but you will probably need a lot of luck and time to find the marriage in UK.
      I presume none of the census material you have has an “in-law” showing; a stroke of luck I have sometimes found.

  • alison Mason

    My family were all Roman Catholics to my knowledge back then anyway and the children were baptised RC in England as I found records for baptisms only for the children. If I had her maiden name I could find her birth in Cork…there seems to be quiet a few Charlotte’s born in Cork during her birth year. I could only find one Charlotte that married a Thomas Ross, but they married in the USA then moved to England after two years and I couldn’t find any children from them. In the England censuses it is constant showing Charlotte’s birth place to be Cork, Ireland apart for the 1891 census that claims she born in Cardif in Wales, and George Ross is constant showing Wilshire, England. On each of the censuses the children’s birth places are all different places; 1881 census in Derbyshire, 1901 census in Gloucestershire, and 1911 in Staffordshire. Another lady I found online a few years ago shares some of the same ancestry as me she comes from Charlotte’s son George Ross and I come from Charlotte’s other son Albert Ross and she thinks the 1891 census might be another family altogether. I did find a possible marriage for a Charlotte and George Ross index in Gloucestershire, England but this Charlotte was born in Norfolk, England and this George Ross was born in Staffordshire, England. They did also later have a son William Ross, but in the 1901 England census there is a William Ross was living in Staffordshire with them and another William Ross living in Worcestershire, England with his brother Albert Ross and mother Charlotte Ross. I know the Worcestershire one is correct for the birth year and I found his brother Albert Ross in the 1901 census born Cheltenham, Gloucestershire, England, and Charlotte Ross born Cork, Ireland, but in 1911 census Albert Ross is now born in Staffordshire. I don’t have any in-law showing accept for Albert Ross’s wife May Butler also known to be Naomi Butler. A relative told me that the Butler family traces back to Kilkenny, Ireland if that helps. I don’t know if there was any passinger list of Irish people travelling over to England during or after the famine years? The Gloucestershire Library said Irish people didn’t need passports to travel to and from England and Ireland during those years ago as the situation was different back then than it is today. Sorry this is long, but I am really at a blank wall. My family back then were either lying about where they were born or just made up birth places on the census…for the kids anyway. I can’t find any birth, marriage, or death certificates that will give me any information that I need. Again, thank you for your help it is appreciated.

    • John Barrett

      Alison,
      I don’t know where you have found “quite a few” Charlottes having RC baptisms in the relevant birth year in Cork. I can only find one : Charlotte Black, baptised in the parish of South Cork on 23 July 1849. That supposes that she stated her age accurately in the census. Other possible girls were : Lombard (23July 1850); Fitzgerald (20 Sept 1848), or Boyle (17 Sept 1847) & Donovan (17 Oct 1847).
      Would you try cross-matching these with George Ross ? Good luck !

  • Christine Burgess

    I have a marriage of a Catherine Butler 26th December 1854 to a William Lee, she was born in Kilkenny Ireland I have been trying for some time to get further information about her, her fathers name was Michael Butler. I had a pequliar coincidence when I went to a patchwork quilt show recently, an Australian lady is working on a project regarding convict women who were shipped out to Australia, and she is asking needlewomen to make a bnnet to commemorate a convict woman who was shipped to Australia. I decided I would make one and queued up for a name, when I got home I decided to look up Mary Harrington, who was deported on the ship The Elizabeth in 1828 and low and behold there was a Catherine Butler. I know she is not min because I think she was born in about 1827/8 but could she be my Catherines mother? How would I find out? Can I find out what she had done to be convicted? I need to know where to go to make a start, any help gratefully received. Chris

  • John Barrett

    To Christine Burgess,
    The name Butler is not unusual in Kilkenny. There were 39 Catherine Butlers baptised in CoKilkenny between 1825 & 1835. Of these 8 had fathers named Michael. Guessing that a woman marrying in 1854 might be approx 22 (is she described as “full age” on marriage cert?), and looking at the period 1830-1834, there are 5 Catherines with fathers Michael : 1 in Callan in 1830/1 in Freshford in 1831/ 1 in Thomastown in 1831/ 2 in Kilkenny City, 1 each in 1830 & 1832.
    Regarding your transportee, she could hardly have got back to Kilkenny in time to have a baby old enough to marry in 1854; wasn’t transportation for a minimum 7 years ?
    I have got the above info from the site “rootsireland.ie”, which you might like to consult yourself, but you would need more detail than you have stated to isolate the correct Catherine.
    Good Luck.
    Post here again if you would like to communicate direct.

    • Christine Burgess

      Many thanks for the information, I am sorry it has taken so long for my response, problems with the computer! I was thinking she had the baby before she was transported and had to leave her here. I d not know if that sort of thing happened or not. I really need to get back into doing some more extensive research again myself. Thank you

  • Alison

    Hi John, what I meant about finding quite a few Charlottes was they were born in Cork and in the county of Cork. I didn’t know which one could have been my great great grandmother Charlotte. I have searched with all those surnames the censuses, births, marriages, deaths, and cross checked them with George Ross. I didn’t find any matches with any of those surnames for Charlotte that had married a George Ross, but thanks again for your help.

  • Alison

    Hi, I think Charlotte’s maiden name was O’Bryan as it was stated on her daughter’s birth certificate that I have recently recieved. Please can someone in Ireland have a look to see if there is any record of a Charlotte O’Bryan born in Cork or county of Cork or anywhere in Ireland? I would be greatful for any help gven.

  • Julie

    Charlotte is my great great grandmother through her son William – born 1884 in Warwick – probably the workhouse. I too am trying to find out about the parents iof both charlotte and George Ross.

  • http://Kirwansite Colette Bayliss (Kirwan)

    Hello!

    We have a KIRWAN site that was sent to me by an American Ian Kirwan.
    As far as we know their were 14 KIRWAN tribes that originated from Galway. On our site there are 442 members now. Do you know anything about these tribes and how we can find out more information as alot of the people on this site maybe related but don’t know if they are.
    Maybe we could a program about it?

    Awaiting your reply!

    Mrs Colette Bayliss Nee Kirwan

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  • Alan Williams

    To Mrs. Colette Bayliss.
    I got onto this site by searching for Baylis’s in Dublin. I have a G.G.grandfather Thomas Baylis born about 1740 who may have come from Dublin to Cumberland. He was a mariner on coal ships from Maryport to Dublin and Belfast. I can’t find his birth in the UK.
    Do you have any info. on the name Baylis/Bayliss in Eire back then.
    I know a Baylis born Eire was in Wigan around 1851 and he was a musician ex Chelsea Pensioner. And there are some in Liverpool.
    Any ideas very welcome. Thanks, Alan