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—Dau. of John and Ellen Kelly etc.

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]]> By: FM http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/2009/09/the-1881-census-reveals-the-stories-of-jack-the-rippers-victims/comment-page-1/#comment-117786 FM Tue, 18 Jan 2011 04:35:30 +0000 http://blog.findmypast.com/?p=628#comment-117786 Rippercast claimed #1 and 3 were the same Robert and Mary when #1 and 2 are closer. Mary #3 is therefore not found in 1891 as claimed. 1. 1891 Census, Everton, Liverpool Robert Wilson 39, baker, son-in-law Mary Wilson 32, wife John Matthews 66, Mary Matthews 58, wife 2. 1881 Census, Everton Liverpool Robert George Wilson 27 Baker Mary Wilson 21 3. 1881 Census Liverpool Robert Wilson, 27, a baker Mary Wilson, 26 Robert Wilson 7, Christina Wilson, 10 (weeks or months), John Kelly, visitor, age 57 from Ireland. Rippercast claimed #1 and 3 were the same Robert and Mary when #1 and 2 are closer. Mary #3 is therefore not found in 1891 as claimed.

1. 1891 Census, Everton, Liverpool
Robert Wilson 39, baker, son-in-law
Mary Wilson 32, wife

John Matthews 66, Mary Matthews 58, wife

2. 1881 Census, Everton Liverpool
Robert George Wilson 27 Baker
Mary Wilson 21

3. 1881 Census Liverpool
Robert Wilson, 27, a baker
Mary Wilson, 26

Robert Wilson 7, Christina Wilson, 10 (weeks or months),
John Kelly, visitor, age 57 from Ireland.

]]> By: MJ http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/2009/09/the-1881-census-reveals-the-stories-of-jack-the-rippers-victims/comment-page-1/#comment-97160 MJ Tue, 14 Dec 2010 18:42:13 +0000 http://blog.findmypast.com/?p=628#comment-97160 "...Census records and genealogical queries soon proved that the rumours were, in fact true, truer than Mary’s own words..." www.scribd.com/doc/37259254/Something-About-Mary-Jane-Kelly “…Census records and genealogical queries soon proved that the rumours were, in fact true, truer than Mary’s own words…”

http://www.scribd.com/doc/37259254/Something-About-Mary-Jane-Kelly

]]> By: FM http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/2009/09/the-1881-census-reveals-the-stories-of-jack-the-rippers-victims/comment-page-1/#comment-95004 FM Wed, 08 Dec 2010 22:12:28 +0000 http://blog.findmypast.com/?p=628#comment-95004 Rippercast 32 The Life and Death of Mary Kelly tried to debunk the Penrhyn St. Liverpool Mary and claimed she was found alive in the 1891 Census. They found a Robert Wilson baker with a wife named Mary and assumed it was her. 1891 Census, 16 Amos St., Everton, Liverpool Mary Wilson 32, wife Robert Wilson 39, baker, son-in-law John Matthews 66, driver, head Mary Matthews 58, wife There were at least three Robert Wilson, bakers, in the 1881 Census and the one above is this one (not Penrhyn): Name: Robert George Wilson Age: 27 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Mary Wilson Gender: Male Where born: Dryden St Liverpool Civil Parish: Everton Street address: 22 China St Condition as to marriage: Married Occupation: Baker Registration district: West Derby Sub-registration district: Everton Penryhn St. Mary Kelly (Wilson) remains undebunked, Father John, brother Henry, sister, a merchant, age notwithstanding... Rippercast 32 The Life and Death of Mary Kelly tried to debunk the Penrhyn St. Liverpool Mary and claimed she was found alive in the 1891 Census. They found a Robert Wilson baker with a wife named Mary and assumed it was her.

1891 Census, 16 Amos St., Everton, Liverpool

Mary Wilson 32, wife
Robert Wilson 39, baker, son-in-law
John Matthews 66, driver, head
Mary Matthews 58, wife

There were at least three Robert Wilson, bakers, in the 1881 Census and the one above is this one (not Penrhyn):

Name: Robert George Wilson
Age: 27
Relation: Head
Spouse’s name: Mary Wilson
Gender: Male
Where born: Dryden St Liverpool

Civil Parish: Everton

Street address: 22 China St
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Baker

Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Everton

Penryhn St. Mary Kelly (Wilson) remains undebunked, Father John, brother Henry, sister, a merchant, age notwithstanding…

]]> By: Lawrence Finn http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/2009/09/the-1881-census-reveals-the-stories-of-jack-the-rippers-victims/comment-page-1/#comment-81448 Lawrence Finn Wed, 10 Nov 2010 03:56:02 +0000 http://blog.findmypast.com/?p=628#comment-81448 A few years ago I taught a young woman who had an interestingly similer look to the Royal Family. I commented on the similarity (in jest) and she mentioned that her family has papers which proved that they were related. I asked her to bring the papers to class but that did not happen. I know that the theory put forward by Stephen Knight in Jack the Ripper the final solution has been largely discredited, but what was of interest is that she claimed that Prince Eddy was her direct ancestor (Great Grandfather)and that due to a scandel the family was packed off to Australia. As I said, she claimed to have papers which proved all of this but I did not see those. As far as I am concernd it is only food for thought, but I mention it on the off chance that this is of interest... A few years ago I taught a young woman who had an interestingly similer look to the Royal Family. I commented on the similarity (in jest) and she mentioned that her family has papers which proved that they were related. I asked her to bring the papers to class but that did not happen.

I know that the theory put forward by Stephen Knight in Jack the Ripper the final solution has been largely discredited, but what was of interest is that she claimed that Prince Eddy was her direct ancestor (Great Grandfather)and that due to a scandel the family was packed off to Australia. As I said, she claimed to have papers which proved all of this but I did not see those.

As far as I am concernd it is only food for thought, but I mention it on the off chance that this is of interest…

]]> By: RD http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/2009/09/the-1881-census-reveals-the-stories-of-jack-the-rippers-victims/comment-page-1/#comment-75362 RD Wed, 27 Oct 2010 23:57:22 +0000 http://blog.findmypast.com/?p=628#comment-75362 ◦Neal Shelden says: 22 September 2009 at 7:28 pm Although the first example is interesting, unfortunately Mary was alleged to have been born in about 1864, making that candidate about 10 years older. Why do you think Mary Kelly was 25 years old. Craig Hansen of Ripper Notes says it's a myth. It makes sense she'd be closer to 40 like the other victims. And she had more than enough reason to lie to her boyfriends if she was their senior. Two were 30 years old or less. "Mary Jane Kelly’s age has always been just an estimate with no real, trustworthy, official source to back it up... it appears to be either an estimate or someone repeating what Mary Jane Kelly told them about herself while still alive. There is nothing official, like a birth certificate, to establish the veracity of her age." http://www.historyhype.com/2007/10/16/final-draft-romanticizing-mary-jane-kelly/ ◦Neal Shelden says:
22 September 2009 at 7:28 pm
Although the first example is interesting, unfortunately Mary was alleged to have been born in about 1864, making that candidate about 10 years older.

Why do you think Mary Kelly was 25 years old. Craig Hansen of Ripper Notes says it’s a myth. It makes sense she’d be closer to 40 like the other victims. And she had more than enough reason to lie to her boyfriends if she was their senior. Two were 30 years old or less.

“Mary Jane Kelly’s age has always been just an estimate with no real, trustworthy, official source to back it up… it appears to be either an estimate or someone repeating what Mary Jane Kelly told them about herself while still alive. There is nothing official, like a birth certificate, to establish the veracity of her age.” http://www.historyhype.com/2007/10/16/final-draft-romanticizing-mary-jane-kelly/

]]> By: Kane Wenderson http://blog.findmypast.co.uk/2009/09/the-1881-census-reveals-the-stories-of-jack-the-rippers-victims/comment-page-1/#comment-55982 Kane Wenderson Sun, 08 Aug 2010 17:03:47 +0000 http://blog.findmypast.com/?p=628#comment-55982 I've heard of evidence that New York Police did in fact recieve letters from Jack the Ripper, but did not report them until later. Altough there is no solid evidence I cold Heartdly beleave that once Jack the Ripper was done in England he went New York. The killings in New York could've been a copycat, but I doubt it. I’ve heard of evidence that New York Police did in fact recieve letters from Jack the Ripper, but did not report them until later. Altough there is no solid evidence I cold Heartdly beleave that once Jack the Ripper was done in England he went New York. The killings in New York could’ve been a copycat, but I doubt it.

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